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Pro Life versus Pro Choice Debate

September 25th, 2009 by gkroeger

Yesterday I attended a presentation by Scott Klusendorf one of the leading pro life speakers in the Country today.  Scott has debated many pro choice people and his speech yesterday was centered on the differences in thought between the opposing sides in this ongoing controversy.

 

Scott’s explanation as to why this debate continues to rage is because of our society’s indifference to truth. We tend to accept relativism instead of a definite truth. Instead of seeking what is true, we accept some middle ground that allows us to do what we would not do if we knew the truth.

 

If we truly believed that an embryo was human, we would not permit it to be destroyed.

 

Scott started his talk by outlining a few of the points his opponents make in their argument for a woman’s right to choose abortion.

 

  1. Pro life people do not have the right to impose their opinion on others
  2. Every person has the right to “choose”
  3. Abortion is a choice between a woman and her doctor. No one else’s business.
  4. Restricting abortion for the poor who cannot afford more children is unfair.
  5. Women should have the right to abort their pregnancy at any time though out the nine months of pregnancy.
  6. Women should not be required to give birth to an unwanted child that may be subjected to abuse, poverty, or illness.
  7. Abortion should be permitted in all cases of rape or incest.

 

Scott surprises his opponent and his audience by agreeing with these arguments. He agrees with every aspect of their arguments; IF, the fetus is not human.

 

Scott’s point is that the whole controversy boils down to “is the fetus human?” Virtually no one would use any of these arguments to kill a 2 year old toddler. So, the question really is, “is the fetus human?” If the fetus is not human then all of the pro choice people are correct and we pro life people concede the right of a woman to have an abortion. The reason however, that we continue to oppose abortion is that all scientific evidence supports the fact that the fetus is human.  If we were however, to concede for arguments sake that we do not know when the fetus becomes human; does that alone permit us to morally kill the fetus? If there is a doubt should we assume the fetus is human or assume it is not human? To illustrate this point, Scott uses the analogy of hunting with a friend and you see a bush rustling, and you are not sure if it is the deer you have been pursuing or your hunting partner, do shoot hoping it is the deer, or do you not shoot until you know it is a deer?

 

The pro choice people seem to take the position that since they do not know if the fetus is human or not, It is okay to accept this as an unknown and an excuse to do what is convenient. The fact that they do not know does not mean there is no truth or correct answer. There was a time when people were not sure if slavery was right or if the world was flat or round, but there always was a correct answer, as there is for this question.  We should always error on the side of morality.

 

Some pro choice people like to make this an argument about religion. Religion has nothing to do with if we have the right to kill another human being. The most devout atheist does not believe we have the right to kill another human being. The religion argument is nothing but an attempt to change the subject and not face the real issue.

 

Some pro choice people like to use the argument that the fetus is not fully human by using the well known argument of the laboratory fire. This argument goes like this; you are in a laboratory that is on fire, in one corner are several frozen embryos, in another corner is a 2 year old toddler, you have time to save only the embryos or the toddler, which do you save? Because most people would choose the toddler, the pro choice argument is that even you pro life people do not believe that the embryos are human. Scott’s rebuttal is that emotional feelings do not change the fact of what is human and what is not. His example was if his 8 year old daughter was in the auditorium with us and a fire broke out and he had the choice of saving his daughter or all of us, we would all be “toast”; this does not prove that none of us were human.

 

Over the years of dialog I have had with those supporting the right to “choose” I have always been intrigued by the fact that they, almost without exception, have not watched, and refuse to watch any picture, video, or image of an actual abortion.  Of course the excuse is always, “I refuse to watch such gory pictures” because they are offensive to me. Interestingly, these same individuals will pay good money to go to a movie which contains more graphic images then the abortion images. So, what is the real reason they do not want to see the images of an abortion; maybe, because they don’t want to subject themselves to the reality of abortion?

 

This link will take you to a short video of not an actual abortion but the after math; if you have not seen these images, you need to see them at least once, once will be enough. If these images do not convince you that the fetus was human, I don’t think anything will.

 

Abortion after math Video

 

It is a poverty to decide that a child must die

so that you may live as you wish.

~Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta

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Pope Benedict XVI’s caritias-in-veritate

September 19th, 2009 by gkroeger

As the previous and present administrations of our government continue to destroy our highly successful political experiment of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness; we need to turn back to the wisdom of Church teaching. Pope Benedict XVI’s recent encyclical “caritias-in-veritate” contains not only Pope Benedict XVI’s own very extensive wisdom, but also contains references to previous Pope’s encyclicals which clearly and incontrovertibly outline where our social and economic problems lie. Before “we the people” can expect our leaders to learn from this wisdom, we ourselves need to come to an understanding of the truth of this teaching.

With all of the negatives that our technology brings us, there is at least one very powerful good that many of us are ignoring. In the past, before the age of the internet, the vast accumulated knowledge of mankind was difficult to access for the average person. Not so with the age of the internet, all of the various Pope’s encyclicals and more are available to us with a simple click of the mouse. Every thinking American should be taking advantage of this wealth of wisdom at our finger tips.

For those who have doubted the wisdom of Church teaching in the past, or even those who have accepted it but not thoroughly understood it, now is as good a time as ever to jump into this pool of knowledge and then begin to share your new found wisdom with those around you.

Pope Benedict XVI’s new encyclical is an extremely good place to start. Don’t let the length or sometime unfamiliar words deter you. Read slowly, take your time, stop and mark your place when you get tired, use on line encyclopedias to look up unfamiliar words, and use the hyper links provided to take quick looks at referenced material; but do get started.

Most of this material has been skimmed in a very cursory manner by left wing news agencies and dismissed with obvious ridicule because it does not fit their ideological mind sets, however, for any open minded thinking individual, the evidence of truth is overwhelming. The wisdom and prophetic messages of previous Popes such as Pope Paul VI will astound you. Pope Paul VI was so clear about what would happen if we followed the path being proposed in the 1960’s. You will be convinced he was indeed a modern day prophet.    

The following is a short excerpt from Pope Benedict XVI’s “caritias-in-veritate” to get you started.

14. In his Apostolic Letter Octogesima Adveniens of 1971, Paul VI reflected on the meaning of politics, and the danger constituted by utopian and ideological visions that place its ethical and human dimensions in jeopardy. These are matters closely connected with development. Unfortunately the negative ideologies continue to flourish. Paul VI had already warned against the technocratic ideology so prevalent today[26], fully aware of the great danger of entrusting the entire process of development to technology alone, because in that way it would lack direction. Technology, viewed in itself, is ambivalent. If on the one hand, some today would be inclined to entrust the entire process of development to technology, on the other hand we are witnessing an upsurge of ideologies that deny in toto the very value of development, viewing it as radically anti-human and merely a source of degradation. This leads to a rejection, not only of the distorted and unjust way in which progress is sometimes directed, but also of scientific discoveries themselves, which, if well used, could serve as an opportunity of growth for all. The idea of a world without development indicates a lack of trust in man and in God. It is therefore a serious mistake to undervalue human capacity to exercise control over the deviations of development or to overlook the fact that man is constitutionally oriented towards “being more”. Idealizing technical progress, or contemplating the utopia of a return to humanity’s original natural state, are two contrasting ways of detaching progress from its moral evaluation and hence from our responsibility.

 caritias-in-veritate

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Does the liberal media think we are mushrooms?

September 1st, 2009 by gkroeger

If anyone doubts the left leaning liberal bias of the mainstream news media, please explain why we continue to be kept in the dark about attacks on Christianity and stories that are anti Christian are blown out of proportion and reported over and over again.

How many readers of this article were aware of an attack on Christians in Gojra Pakistan on August 1st of this year? If you are aware of it chances are you became aware of it through some small unaffiliated news outlet. I first heard about this attack today via the “Voice of the Martyrs” web site http://www.persecution.com/

Wondering why I had not heard of the attack until a month later I “googled” gojra aug 1. Not surprisingly on the first page of hits, not a single one was from a major news source.

The first 10 hits in order were;

www.ucanews.com

Article:     

 http://www.ucanews.com/2009/08/10/christians-remember-victims-of-gojra-violence/

en.wikipedia.org

Article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Gojra_riots

www.silobreaker.com

Article:

http://www.silobreaker.com/gojra-pakistan-11_113364

www.newstin.com

Article:

http://www.newstin.com/rel/us/en-010-016873836

www.topix.com

Article:

http://www.topix.com/world/pakistan/2009/08/clashes-between-two-groups-in-gojra-7-dead

www.nowpublic.com

Article:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/christian-houses-burnt-muslims-gojra-pakistan

www.christianitytoday.com

Article:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/augustweb-only/131-51.0.html

www.assistnews.net

Article:

http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2009/s09080026.htm

www.dawn.com

Article:

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/provinces/18-gojra-riots-accused-sent-to-jail-am-01

hrcpblog.wordpress.com

Article:

http://hrcpblog.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/gojra-admin-knew-about-pre-planned-attacks-hrcp/

 

More evidence of this was recently brought to my attention by a friend who ask me, “have you noticed that the continuous reporting of body counts and bombings in Iraq that were so prevalent all during the Bush administration have suddenly disappeared?” And miraculously they stopped the day Obama took office and have not resumed in spite of recent setbacks, amazing.   

The obvious lesson here is; do not rely on the NBC’s, ABC’s, CBS’s, Reuters, Associated press, and even FOX for all of your news sources. Because of the internet and the many sources available information is now available, we just need to look for it and determine which is reliable and which is not. The old days of trusting NBC, ABC, and CBS are over.

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